Loading...
HomeMy WebLinkAbout10/07/1986 Study Session - 398 OCTOBER 7, 1986 SPECIAL STUDY SESSION - COUNCIL WORKSHOP 1. ROLL CALL The City Council met in session on this date at 12:00 noon in a special Study Session — Council Workshop at the Restaurant at the • Airport, Yakima, Washington. Mayor Henry Beauchamp, presiding, Council members Clarence Barnett, Pat Berndt, Lynn Buchanan, Lynn . Carmichael, Jerry Foy and Jack Sparling present on roll call. City Manager Zais, Assistant City Manager Stouder, and City Clerk Roberts also present. • 2. INVOCATION The Invocation was given by Council member Foy. 3. OPEN DISCUSSION FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER • Council member Carmichael inquired if the Mayor had received any correspondence from the National League of Cities regarding selection of voting delegates at its convention. She commented that since she is going to the convention, compliments of the Association of Washington Cities, and since she has not heard any other Council members say they are attending, she would like to be appointed as the City's voting .delegate. It was MOVED by Barnett, • seconded by Berndt, to appoint Lynn Carmichael as the City's voting delegate, representing the City of Yakima, at the National League of Cities meeting. Unanimously carried by voice vote. There having been a request by one of the news media, it was the general consensus of the Council to discuss the items out of sequence of the Agenda and discuss Item No. 7 at this time. 7. SUBMISSION OF 1987 PRELIMINARY BUDGET FORECAST City Manager Zais presented the 1987 Budget Forecast. He commented detailed discussions will occur during the department budget reviews. He mentioned those items significantly impacting the budget, primarily the CIP, Rattlesnake Feasibility Study and Wastewater Treatment Plant aerators replacement. He stated an error was brought to staff's attention that on the top of page 28 the total 1987 budget amount should be $49,789,670, and the same correction should be made in the table on page 35. In this document, he stated he wanted to highlight major trends. that are happening and briefly explained a proposed plan for a joint, City Police /County Sheriff Data Processing System. City Manager Zais asked if there were any other items in the Forecast Council would like to have better addressed so when we get to the preliminary budget, staff can have those answers available. Referring to page 22, Council member Barnett commented we would not be putting the annual amount of $500,000 into the Transit Reserve. City Manager Zais stated that figure is calculated by the UMTA regulations, and has not always been $500,000. Council member Barnett referred to the existing policy, and stated it appears we will not be able to keep up with that policy statement this year, which concerns him somewhat. He stated he would hope that would not be due solely to the fact we established another route. City Manager Zais stated, with the revenue down and the cross town route, we won't be able to put any of the sales tax into the Capital Reserve Fund, however, it is still subject to budget review. Council member Foy inquired if we can legally do that since the Transit sales tax was voted in by the citizens. Maybe the citizens would rather we take a reduction instead of increasing it by a proposed 5% tax. City Manager Zais stated the tax is proposed for the future and is not something which is programmed for dependence in 1987. He stated the comment he was making was that is a potential revenue source for the future that might be considered for support of Cemetery, Parks, and Recreation. Council member Barnett asked if any of the Community Development Block Grant funds would be eligible for any of these. B -5/1 • wkshp10.7 8t OCTOBER 7, 1986 ' • 39 - ` Council member Carmichael stated it couldn't be used unless Council changes the target area. Mayor Beauchamp stated he had the same question about the legality of a tax for the Cable TV fund and perhaps staff should explore that question, as well as the one on Transit. Council member Foy stated before we do budget this year, we need to 'determine if we are going to have add -in items and establish a policy. If we do, we will be forcing the City Manager to look at that 5% Transit tax. Council member Barnett asked that when we get to the detailed budget, can there be some indication given on the revenue increase of 8%; what portion of that is due to the proposed radio plan? City Manager Zais referred to the water rate increase, commenting the $527,000 budgeted for the Rattlesnake FERC license feasibility study can't come out of the reserve fund. We are asking for an 8% increase to fund this, instead of the previously proposed 6% increase. Council member Berndt commented that last year when Council set goals and priorities, she remembers Council thought we would meet with department heads and have a mutual goals and priorities session, but that never happened. She stated she still wants that to occur. City Manager Zais stated he thinks the department heads would still like to do that, and maybe a good time to do that would be in the first quarter of the year. ' • 4. REPORT FROM LEGAL DEPARTMENT REGARDING GENERAL LEGAL MATTERS . City Manager Zais stated there have been a number of questions that have come up from Council relating to.general.advice from the Legal Department. City Attorney Andrews stated he has .a list of suggested .subjects Council may want to listen to, however, if Council doesn't want to listen to any particular subject,..just say so..He stated he thought we might discuss these general subjects: 1) the. difference between.an ordinance, resolution and motion; 2) whether or. not a Council member may vote on. a matter that has previously been heard by. the Council as a whole when that Council member was not there; 3.) John Vanek will talk to you about public - meetings versus public hearings in the. context.of the new zoning ordinance and about conflict of interest and appearance of fairness; 4) publication of ordinances; and 5.) review the current provisions about executive. sessions - when may they be held, the putp)ses, as least insofar as they apply to City Council meetings. He stated he .brought a copy. of the Rules and.Procedures of the Council in case Council has any questions on that. Mayor Beauchamp requested. that staff make. each topic as brief as possible. Council member Foy requested that the minutes of this discussion be done verbatim. City Attorney. Andrews suggested talking .about the difference between' an ordinance and a resolution. ._That.question • was the subject of a paper. given recently at a conference by a man named Jim Ferris, who was Senior Assistant Attorney General for the • State .of. Washington. He was assigned as the Assistant Attorney General in charge of municipal affairs for cities and towns. An ordinance, defined, as that term is generally used, is.to designate a local law of a municipal corporation duly enacted by the proper authority, prescribing general, uniform and permanent rules of conduct relating. to the corporate affairs of the municipality. • . Stated. another .way by a..court _that. defined ordinances; that definition was by McQuillin, which is a master work on law for municipal corporations; the Washington. case defines_an ordinance as laws of the city .which by their nature prescribes a general and permanent rule, i.e. criminal .ordinance,_traffic codes ,..building codes, land control, zoning, subdivision ordinance and.those things that are general, uniform and permanent rather than transitory or ' one -time only items. A resolution,..Jim.Ferris tells us, is not the equivalent of an ordinance, but it's. applied to an act of the official.body, which ordinarily denotes something less solemn or less formal than an ordinance._ It is an _expression..of ..opinion of mind of the official body concerning. some particular_ item of . business or some administrative. matter .coming within your cognizance that. is more .of a one -shot item, or a temporary ' ordinance rather than something permanent, general, uniform. An _ example of. that is a resolution of intention is brought to B - -5/2 wkshp10 400 OCTOBER 7, 1986 Council to declare its intention by adopting this resolution that Council is going to create this local improvement district. That is a one -time shot to declare your intention and starts the process going and is not done by ordinance. When that local improvement district is created and all of the things are done and it comes back to Council for legal creation, it is done by ordinance because that is a permanent, lasting action by Council that effects rights and obligations of people, their property rights and monetary affairs, so that is done by an ordinance. McQuillin, the master of the textbooks, says a resolution tends to deal with matters of special or temporary character, while an ordinance prescribes some permanent rule of conduct of our government to continue in force until that ordinance is repealed. A motion sometimes goes away because of its own inertia, or it just runs out and there is no sense necessarily of repealing them. Referring to motions and orders of various kinds, as distinguished from resolution and ordinances, he stated we generally look in our Council meeting on motions as a way to make a decision on a procedural type matter. For example, say Council calls for a report, it would be okay to call for a report by the City Engineer, or to do something of a transitory nature by motion. This paper points out, from a legal standpoint in Washington, the difference between a motion and a resolution is insignificant, and practically synonymous. Anything that can be done by a resolution can be done by a motion and vice versa because there is no difference and the power of the Council is behind them. You tend to look at motions as procedural matters and resolutions as temporary declarations of intent, authorizing execution of contracts, and so forth; one shot items. There is a • practical reason for that too, not mentioned in this paper. Sometimes this is a matter of recordkeeping; a resolution, rather than a motion is a convenient means and sometimes carries some weight within a legal context in that it is a permanent record of what you have done, rather than taking an extract out of the minutes, which would not necessarily be a verbatim extract, so there are some practical reasons, as well as some legal reasons for having resolutions sometimes rather than motions. Now, we need to talk about when is one or the other used. Ordinances, you remember, are permanent and lasting action which have a general legislative purpose. Any action meeting that criteria must be done by ordinance and determining whether it is a legislative matter usually requires a case -by -case analysis. A general guiding principal is that action relating to subjects of a permanent and general character are usually divided by the legislative to exercise its legislative authority which is exercised by ordinance and those that are subject to temporary and special characters are regarded as administrative and can be done by resolution. There are other places we look: one, to see whether the City Charter specifically calls for an ordinance to accomplish a particular act, or a state law. There is a list of over 250 different statutory provisions relating to municipalities in the state statutes that requires specific actions by the City Council, to be done by specific modes of legislation. sometimes staff brings to Council an ordinance or a resolution which may not fit the classical distinction that we discussed; the reason is that there is sane other reason for that, such as a requirement of the state statute as in local improvement districts. Specifically McQuillin talks about, and I think we want to talk about, the adoption of personnel policies. The question is whether the adoption or enactment of personnel matters is an exercise of your legislative authority requiring an ordinance, or exercise of administrative authority or ministerial authority, which can be accomplished by a resolution or motion. Mcquillin's conclusion of this is that categories that • make up personnel policies should be regarded as legislative in nature because they fix legal rights and duties. The setting of compensation or fringe benefits, the establishment of Civil Service or non - establishment of Civil Service is a matter that can't be done by resolution. Other tenure rights must be done by ordinance; work hours, work conditions, holidays, and so forth, are to the extent they may be controversial, and should be incorporated into an ordinance. It is these types of things which he stated he guesses he does by instinct, maybe instinct isn't the right word; some of these things that are so important he thinks they ought to B -5/3 wkshp10.7 OCTOBER'7, 1986 4 0 be done in a manner so as to be, written in concrete, carved in granite, preserved in a permanent file for reference and should be, done by .ordinance. Council member Sparling commented that ordinance passed years ago lasts forever. Right? City Attorney Andrews agreed, unless it has been repealed: Council member Sparling asked - if staff researches to see if - we - are•in conflict • with another ordinance when we pass a new one. 'City Attorney Andrews stated that is .a separate subject, and this leads in to it. Council member Foy commented heT noticed that the -process in Yakima is to have the resolution read and then there is a motion to adopt, but you can also state it as "I move the resolution be read by title and be placed before us for adoption "; and that is just as good as going through the two processes. City Attorney Andrews agreed and said you don't need a motion to read the' resolution, which can be simply done by a direction of the mayor. The next • matter is a resolution authorizing something and the mayor will ask that the resolution be read, and the clerk will read the resolution, and then Council has its discussion and" then a Council member can for adoption. Council member Foy stated • that a lot of times what we do is a lot of discussion and then we seem to be looking at each other to see if we are ready to do something and then the mayor has to read those non- verbals and say please read it. He stated, to him, the process seems to be streamlined by saying "Irwould like the resolution to - be read by title and be placed before us for passage, and then we could go ahead and do activity and maybe the Council they already discussed 'it, and call for the question and boom, it's over with:" Council member Buchanan stated you still have read it. City Attorney Andrews stated the motion still •has to be voted on, on•whether, you are going to read the resolution, and that takes that extra vote: Council member Foy that he moves to have the resolution read by title and placed before-us for passage, then we are to adopt that. City•Attorney Andrews questioned, then you are going to vote on that motion. Mr. Foyagreed ;•and stated but-when that is read placed before for adoption, do I not adopt when I make that vote. City Attorney Andrews disagreed, stating you have to vote - on the resolution after it is read; you have to vote on whether to adopt it: Council member Buchanan stated' we are only doing one motion this way, and that way it would be two motions. Council member Foy stated he has seen it done that way, where they will read it, they go•ahead and then they don't vote on whether to read it because it is part of the motion. City Attorney Andrews stated he understands what he is doing and if it is' okay with everybody; it doesn't'make one whit of difference to him: Council 'member Foy - stated he•would adopt Council' s' method. City Andrews stated that Council 'member Sparling asked about•the process of amending ordinances. When an ordinance comes to Council, it's on a piece of paper and it says ;• an ordinance number, and there will be some recitals and then it says the City of Yakima'Code is hereby amended. The reason we do it that way is because many years •ago, • in about the late 1950's, - the City .of Yakima codified its City ordinances where a11`.of the ordinances of a'penal nature and public utilities and services, 'police, traffic, fire, and all'of those, were put into some kind "of logical and topical sequence •and bound in a code and were assigned a sequential . number under a .- title - - and - chapter, sections and subsections. Any ordinance amending the codification shall set forth in full or or subsection or" subsections of the codification being amended and when is done, it is deemed to be in canpliance with a provision the Washington State Constitution. - You can't say - "I want to amend section 3.77.010 by striking the 'shall' and inserting the word 'shall not'." You . can't do that; you - have to set , out the entire section with that • word "shall" changed' to "shall. not." What has created - a problem, is., subsequently; the State legislature laid on the city a requirement by state' statute which says that "promptly after the adoption; - every ordinance shall'be published at least once in the official =newspaper of the City." Prior to this requirement we followed.a procedure set forth in our Charter that legal notice of any enactment of ordinance - 'or amendments' of the•Code, shall be published in the newspaper in the City by title and, in addition,' a clerk's certificate that says "An Ordinance the 8-5/4 wkshp10.7 • 4 O 2 OCTOBER 7, 1986 above title and number was enacted by the City Council on this date." We have to publish the entire ordinance in compliance with State law, as well as the clerk's certificate to comply with the City Charter. Council member Berndt commented we still have the freedom to publish a synopsis of the ordinance. City Attorney Andrews stated in 1985 there were some other cities and towns, other than first class, who were required to either publish and /or post the entire ordinance. In 1977, in order to "help" those cities that had that requirement at that time, there was a state law enacted which said that "whenever any city is required to publish any ordinance in the newspaper, the City may publish a summary of the ordinance, which summary shall be approved by the governing body,- which shall include the identification of the city, a descriptive title, a section -by- section summary, any other information which the city finds necessary to provide a complete summary, and a statement to the effect that the full text will be mailed to anybody who sends to the clerk such a request." The rest of the law requires that whenever a publication is made under this section, that is, whenever any publication is made by this summary method, and if that proposed ordinance contains provisions regarding taxation or penalties or descriptions of real property, then the sections containing any of those three subjects must be published in full and cannot be summarized. When a legal description of property is contained in a summarized ordinance, then the street.address must also be published, and when more than • one street address is included, then the street address of the four corners of the property involved must be published. Council member • Berndt asked when a parking ordinance is amended, are we publishing the entire ordinance. City Attorney Andrews stated we are only publishing the section which has been amended. Council member Berndt interjected that we are publishing the entire thing when we • are only amending one paragraph. City Attorney Andrews stated we are not amending one paragraph, we are amending one item, one specific street, and one specific street is not a section. Council member Berndt stated she would challenge that. Council member Carmichael asked what is happening to the challenge. City Attorney Andrews stated the challenge that you are talking about is not a challenge against the validity of the requirement, but an action to recover back from the State the costs for publication. There is going to be a bill filed by the City of Seattle for the expenses incurred, during this last year, by which Seattle is attempting to • seek from the legislature its additional costs incurred in this publication requirement. Assuming the State will reject that, as it did this past year, then, he stated he has been advised by city counsel that Seattle will commence legal action. Council member Berndt asked why can't our summary be what we did to that parking at that position, not the entire...City Attorney Andrews interjected, stating it is because the requirement is that there be a section -by- section summary. You can't just change an item in a subsection. If you want to make a section out of each one of those streets, then, you would say that "section 1: parking is prohibited on J St.; section 2: parking is prohibited on such and such street." You can do that rather than just list the streets. Then, that would not be a summary, that would be a printing of the full subsection. It is pretty difficult to summarize one sentence. On the subject of what is a section and what is a subsection, which is really what the question is why can't each sentence be a subsection. It's because a section is not simply a sentence; a section is a collection of sentences that constitutes a paragraph that pertains to the same general subject that constitutes a logical thought that makes up a paragraph. .A definition of a summary is not that you may change one word, because a summary is a summation of the point covering all the main points, but more concisely, of a longer. point. It may not even be shorter, but normally is. Council member Buchanan stated that when you are doing something like a prohibition of a parking ordinance, it seems • a summary would say that we are prohibiting parking on a list of streets and it has now been'changed to include this new street. City Attorney Andrews stated that that is not a summary; there are some things you can't summarize, you just have to list all the streets. Council member Foy stated the answer to this whole thing is that we have to rely on AWC to take up this issue of publication B -5/5 wkshp10.7 OCTOBER 7, 1986 - 4 -0 since its is aStates law and State law should come with its funding to-cover the .costs. City Attorney Fred Andrews commented the real solution to •the problem is to do away with the .law that says ordinances have to published in its entirety: law by which we say we •may get with a summary was passed in , 1 977, but the requirements for First Class cities to ordinances in full was passed..in 1985. There is a question whether the 1977 law would even apply to•First Class cities. In 1977 when that was enacted for the benefit of-some smaller cities;. that idea: was the subject of a paper given by a man who was then city attorney of Longview and he said there is no way, from his studies of the ordinances drafted for Longview, 'there is no way•this so-called break, by which ; cities can publish by summaries, or otherwise; does any good for them. He raised .the question about legal descriptions, he raised the-question about ordinances containing penalties, which means all the criminal ordinances, all the traffic codes, all of . which contain penalties; you can't summarize them if they contain penalties. Mayor suggested sue move along on the agenda. , Council member Carmichael asked why we are doing this today. She stated her concern is that she felt the really important issue of this meeting today was to discuss goals and priorities. She commented she is • afraid the : issue .of legal matters could take up the-entire - afternoon. She stated she would like to postpone this for another time and deal'with these other issues on the agenda. Council membermBarnett commented he isgetting more out of the City . Attorney's discussion than he 'would on -goals and) priorities. Council member Carmichael' suggested that perhaps that :is.because Council member Barnett was not able to join :•us the last time we did this. -Council - member Barnett - stated he read all the - goals and priorities when they -first came out and • read them when we got the book in July and he • -read - the• update he got the .other: night and found that most-of these - things - are•in - process.. Unless we were going to establish new goals and. priorities on a staff that is already pretty well loaded, that discussion not take more than five or ten minutes. City Manager Zais stated - .maybe we should determine'how'much we want to spend on these topics for the balance of ..the :afternoon. Mayor Beauchamp stated that maybe we don't want to go into.these legal issues in some depth,' but if there are some new developments in•the legal arena, we could briefly review them. City Attorney. Andrews stated there • really .aren't - a . lot of new' •developments : in the legal- arena, but we wanted to talk about the general legal questions which have come during the Council meetings. He further stated that was not his desire to lay this on Council,• but we were trying to respond to some things we thought Council was interested in, but'if not, we can pass on: this. Council member' Barnett stated there . is. one area he would ' like ..to have discussion on, and that .is the memorandum from Mr. Lamb on. handling public meetings, ,that appears different from same previous we have had and the document we received a-week or two in our pacckets. Council member Berndt stated the County handles it differehtly•than we do, for instance, they put it on consent, and• :we don't. City•Attorney Andrews stated he not seen • that .•and maybe. staff should look at that try- to :reconcile same things before we try to talk to Council about this. Council member Buchanan expressed concern about a development being built under the:approach of-the airport..-He spoke about. a situation at•Sea wherein all the houses had be bought by the City. of -- Seattle: - If any ofs you take .off here, you 'will notice you - can take a left turn,' which is the normal traffic pattern, the County. has a that is going to be right underneath•the•approach - and departure for'this airport, and if that reachea stage where all houses are built, At won't be too much longer before all those houses have - to be bought. We need to be looking at how much' money that going to cost. Mayor Beauchamp questioned - if this' has .been: brought to.. the :-attention of the-Airport: •Board and the.County. Council member Buchanan stated the County' Commissioner liaison was: not: present 'during that discussion the Board meeting.- ss Referring - once again. to public•meeting procedures, Council member Barnett stated it appears to him,.)the way - is interpreting it, B -5/6 wkshpl0.7 1 0 4 OCTOBER 7, 1986 the instructions he got on public meetings differs from the memo from Mr. Lamb. He stated his second question relates to the situation yesterday when he went to hear a County appeal from a class 2 review to the hearing examiner and then realized maybe he shouldn't be there even though it's in the County, and whether or not , under our interpretation, as a Council member, he should not listen to a hearing examiner's hearing. He stated, realizing we may have a similar situation in the City, he left. He commented he has yet to see this hearing examiner through a complete session. City Attorney Andrews stated if the property is in the County, under their jurisdiction, there is no conflict. Council member Foy stated it was brought to their attention, they were there during the preliminary stage setting of the rules by Mr. Lamb, and it was brought to their attention that since it's an urban plan, and we and the County have adopted this; we, in the City, in an R -1 zone have turned down an application for a duplex, and yet, in the County they have approved it, and now it is being appealed. The feeling was, what happens to the people we turned down? Lets say - the County ruling is upheld; may they not came back to Council and want us to reconsider our denial, and what happens if we had sat through that County hearing, then we would be declared ineligible to listen. City Attorney Andrews asked where this thought process came from. Council member Foy stated it was theirs. City Attorney Andrews stated that is a good idea. Council member Foy stated it is a good possibility these people may come and ask for a change in the ordinance in the County and then we have to adopt it. City Attorney Andrews stated there may be some special considerations that we may learn the hard way; ordinarily, there may not be any problem, but with a joint ordinance there may be some problems. The subject matter was outside the jurisdiction of the City but the issue may be a common one that may apply to the County and City. City Manager Zais commented Council may want to hear one of the other items on the list. Council member Foy stated he would like to see the city attorney give us a 3 -4 line description of each topic and if we think we need additional information, we can meet individually with him, or maybe` the Council in total, and request review of a subject. City Attorney Andrews suggested he write down each of the topics and see if Council is interested in receiving additional detailed information. Council member Foy stated there is a discrepancy between how we are handling public meetings if we look at what the hearing examiner is saying, between us and the County, so we've got some real concerns because this is supposed to be a uniform ordinance. Referring to the zoning ordinance, Council member Barnett stated that on public hearings, when we have a true public hearing on the zoning ordinance and we are having a hearing, sometimes, he may have voiced an opinion,. having asked the person a question, may have commented back to them. He stated he guesses that is getting, in dangerous territory. City Attorney Andrews agreed and said if you express an opinion before all the testimony is there, you may be accused of having made up your mind before you heard all the testimony, violating the appearance of fairness doctrine. Council member Buchanan suggested that when the city attorney writes his list, he also gives his reference source. 5. DISCUSSION REGARDING COUNCIL GOALS AND PRIORITIES City Manager Zais commented Council has already talked about this a little bit. These are work priorities Council established last August. There have been periodic progress reports and action reports on these programs. There are many other projects staff is working on but not listed as the highest priorities. The main purpose today is to allow Council to express your thoughts on how staff is doing and give Council an opportunity to change your priorities. Referring to items I. c, Contain the costs of providing police and fire services, III. a, Joint law enforcement center, I. d, Establish a 9 -1 -1 emergency communications system, V., Combine communications (police /fire /sheriff), Council member Buchanan stated that those are all related to I. c.'We need to take another look at III. a, joint law enforcement center and talk to the County. There was additional discussion regarding the combined communications proposal. Council member Buchanan stated he thinks the time has cone for the council committee to talk to B -5/7 wkshp10.7 OCTOBER 7, 1986 • 4 ® 6 the County Commissioners. Council member Carmichael stated a long time ago we used to meet periodically for lunch :with the County Commissioners and maybe that, in addition to a committee, might be a` vehicle for us - to address sane areas of concerns we have to the County Commissioners and we might get- sane areas - .of concerns they have for the 7 City. She recommended we give • part. of this-task task to the Committee and to reinstate sane' of these meetings with the72County Commissioners. Council member.Buchanan stated :•another problem is emergency medical services, 'tie-in' with.ambulance. and hospital. If we go to joint law enforcement,'that'can 'partly be derailed. Right'now, the Health: District is looking' at a coordinator for emergency medical services. - The. state - is-pushing for that position to be filled; even to the point where will pay for the first one and three - quarter year's salary. City • Manager Zais stated there is- an'issue in the budget that. will cane to on the emergency medical services budget and much time is 'spent on that with no funding. - Council member Foy cautioned Council - and 'staff about - asking for - an -EMS . tax on the . basis we are running an • aid car - to cover the -cost of that fire truck going He . iindicated it could put - the r ;City in competition. Council stated there is a state law that 'says there - is 'no can into business. Council member Foy° - stated they thought that same thing - in Aberdeen and; they got stuck.' He stated he. would like to see Council member• Buchanan chair ,a• »committee, along with - Council members - Berndt. and Barnett to work with this. He :stated he would be willing to be - an - alternate. Council member•Carmichael stated she would be in working on - .this - committee. Council member stated she would like to see' 'Council member - Carmichael's -suggestion - .regarding. lunch meetings .with County - , Commissioners. Mayor Beauchamp stated staff is to get some dialogue with the Commissioners. Council member Carnichael.:comuented she .was , involved: with :the the 9 -1 -1 •and joint law enforcement and if there is 1 any- way she help,: . she. - willing. There. was a :brief discussion: regarding .the: Rattlesnake :.project, Fred.-'Stouder giving a update onu:its status. Referring to III. c, Develop:a strategy.for replacing federal: funding programs for-- .which funding is . being eliminated;—Council: member rFoy stated that right now; administration should bring Council.a strategy and then tell us it should. became a .policy. He - stated. he thinks that is a priority' for_ administration. City Zais, that later in the memo; he addressed what staff.has done, will be doing, and what'needs to be ' 6. DISCUSSION REGARDING CITIZEN SURVEY • Council member Barnett stated he would like to see this survey item tabled until: after all the studies • that are in :process are completed . then survey - the citizens sea-if willing to all . the enhancements; rather than an- option :to give the citizen an opportunity to gripe. He stated •he• would like to see most» of these - gel, . then we establish a committee to - see : what type of approach - we - want - to • - take . on a survey, .rather than the normal type are you satisfied with) °the - city services: :It masMOVED by Buchanan to move 2 - down to•item 6 or maybe 7. died for lack• :of - a second; :'Council , member suggesting that item be put at bottan of . the - priority: list. °Council member Carmichael stated there is an outstanding'survey which will be done by WSU. She: stated ' her concerns is - how the . questions . are to be phrased. We look at the results•of this . survey - .in addition to this' and 'go very carefully. One of' the things that frightens her about a survey, she stated, is that.often a,survey - will tell you exactly what you want depending_ on how you.:.write the questions : • She commented that- any .time , there-, is 'more • than one revenue- issue on' a.'ballot; they , all go down. .. Referring to" the Goals and Priorities, City-Manager Zais asked Council ' if there -is anything not on : this:: list :that needs to be. Council member stated he would like clarify comments. Be stated his •was to'listing the projects in • ranking_ _order. We .just -list- them as ■ -our - •goals and priorities.' • , ;. _ • . B -5/8 wkshp10.7 4 0 6 OCTOBER 7, 1986 8. OTHER BUSINESS Council member Berndt stated there was an issue about increasing productivity and efficiency in the budget process. She stated that hardly a day goes by that she doesn't get hounded about our parks system. City Manager Zais cautioned Council to be careful about comparison with other cities. He stated the Department director has been directed to a re- examine the programs and staffing, with the Parks Commission and Mr. Stouder. It seems we db a lot of recreation programs in comparison with months. Mayor. Beauchamp stated that in the past we have looked at fee programs, but not the other overheads, etc. Council member Barnett commented he has been going to COG meetings. He stated he wonders whether it is time to consider if it's worthwhile for the City to continue its membership in COG. If it is decided to withdraw he stated he thinks we should give them time to budget properly and not ju t tell them we are not going to join next year. He stated he realizes there are certain types of grants that have to be funneled through them because we -have a COG, so we should be cautious. He stated it's great for the small towns and cities to have COGs, although he is not sure we are getting that much benefit from it. Council members Buchanan and Foy concurred with Mr. Barnett's statements. Council member Carmichael stated that actually the help for those small = commun.ities should come from the State Department of Community Development. She stated we pay twice and she supports Mr. Barnett's recommendation. Mayor Beauchamp commented that if the Department of Community Development cannot fill the gap, he would be concerned about pulling out. Council member Foy referred to the article in the newspaper that related to the Trolley Association's $400,000 purchase of the roundhouse. If they get the lease for the roundhouse, he questioned if we have to get a lease for storing that equipment, because it's ours. Council member Barnett stated if they take the roundhouse he thinks they could charge us for locomotive rent. City Manager Zais commented there are two issues Glenn Rice has been working on 1) trolley request that it be declared a historical site, and 2) this question about what happens after the lease is expired. He stated he was advised the lease would be continued with the City, not the Trolley Association. Council member Foy stated next year there is no tax write -off for all antique things and we should sell it this year. City Manager Zais stated staff is working on a report. Council member Sparling submitted a letter of resignation from the Council, which he read. He stated his time constraints do not afford him the opportunity to serve any longer as a - member of the Yakima City Council. In the letter he stated some of his'concerns and suggestions: "1) You must resist the continuance of our union agreement with AFSCME, regarding subcontracting. This clause is costing the city taxpayer a lot of money and will get more and more expensive; 2) You should resist further union domination of your work force that ties the hand of your management staff; 3) I hope you continue to consolidate county and city government departments. Each of us lives and votes in Yakima County. Someday these governments will be consolidated. I will continue to work on this as long as I can; 4) The bus tax should be reduced to 0.2%. It is my belief that we are running a very expensive system. I have never seen reliable bus income and expense information. If you reduce this tax 33% you might hear sane screaming but it can be done for less if you try. Let the riders pay more and the taxpayers less; 5) The Cable TV tax should be reduced to .3% or less and the city should keep one half of this. Channel 12 should be merged with KYVE and be paid 500 of the reduced cable tax income in order to reduce KYVE auctions which are another drain on the community; 6) Good luck with the 1987 budget. The budget process could be more effective and a lot less work if. you follow my earlier suggestions." Mayor Beauchamp asked Mr. Sparling if he had an effective date for his resignation. Council member Sparling B -5/9 wkshp10.7 OCTOBER 7, 1986 4 b :- stated his resignation is • effective.: .as of right now. Mayor Beauchamp expressed appreciation for the service provided by Council member Sparling to the community. Council member Foy stated he would like Council to give' consideration to the process he went through to be appointed to the Council. Following further discussion regarding a procedure to fill this vacancy, it was the general consensus of the Council to request candidates to , complete an application, with a cut -off date of Wednesday, October 22, 1986 at. 5:00 p.m.'-- Council member Buchanan indicated he - .would be interested in :being appointed to this 'at- large position'. There was sane discussion 'about a date to conduct' interviews and make a decision on° the 'appointment, however , no •specific - :date was determined. City Manager Zais stated an announcement should be made and applications requested as soon as possible. (Council member Sparling absent after 4:40 p.m.) City Manager Zais asked if Council wanted to add the question about the issue of - 'the' Parks' and Recreation operation 'efficiency and productivity to the list. Council member Berndt stated it was just her comment in general. City Manager Zais stated he could do it department -wide with special emphasis on Parks and Recreation. 9. ADJOURNMENT'S ( -. -_ , ., It was MOVED;by,... Buchanan, seconded by that . this meeting be adjourned at the hour of p.m.' 'Unanimously - carried % by voice vote: _, _ .1 •. • i READ AND "CERTIFIED ACCURATE BY - • I3 f7 cam. L MEMBER - ,DA ‘..kj COUNCIL MEMBER DATE ATTEST: • 'CITY CLERK -: ,� , YOR - • • • • B -5/10 wkshpl0.7