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HomeMy WebLinkAbout04/12/1988 Study Session 289 APRIL ,i2; 1988 .. ) . .I;._ STUDY /BUSINESS MEET :ING - . , 1. ROLL CALL The - City , 'Council , Imet in 'session - on this; :date: at :2:00 :P.M'.: in the Council Chambers of City Hall, Yakima,,: Washington. Council - members present •were'' Mayor Pat Berndt, presiding,: Clarence Barnett, Henry Beauchamp, Lynn" - Buchanan, -Lynn Carmichael; Jerry Foy and Bernard Sims .:-City ::Manager :Zais City •Attorney Vanek, Acting City Clerk Toney, and Department Assistant Barber also present. , • 2. INVOCATION. i The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Council member Buchanan. 3. OPEN DISCUSSION ` FOR THE" GOOD OF THE- ' ORDER' • ' Mayor - Berndt' read a .proclamation designating April 17 =23, 1988 as "Volunteer Week" in the City of Yakima. •The .' proclamation was accepted by Jo _Newhouse -who stated DOVIA'. will •be• :sponsoring. a .recognition luncheon at: the Towne Plaza at noon. on Monday, April 18, 1988 -for: the .purpose of recognizingi ,fouri outstanding volunteers from. ' Yakima. She . , introducedt' ',= DOVIA. members_ Susan Russell, Leanna Mooth, and Sue Ingraham. Mayor Berndt read a proclamation designating ,April 11- 18,'1988 as "Parliamentary Week in Yakima." The proclamation was accepted by John- Klingele ,‘ local. resident- arid. certified parliamentarian:' . Council: Member Foy, stated in view \of , the fact :!that : the Governor recently signed:.; three bills relating to drugs ;: and • the drug problems, he7: :would like:, to make' a: motion- regarding: this - issue. It was MOVED by Foy, seconded by Beauchamp, that the City Attorney bring in' the appropriate z.. forms : that would be.: necessary t for:' the new mandate ,described in •._House Bill 692 and . House : Bill : '1445 which relates to drug houses, . etc. Council _{ member 'Barnett; "inquired if this. ' would . be •: an: ordinance .. - City Attorney' Vanek stated,. no. He • explained=- that - there are • certain sections of House Bill 692 which require the.-Police .Department to !give notice to landlords if there are drug activities at ; a certain property: the stated -most ' likely • this occurs through : the. serving of , search warrants and the discovery of drugs upon the premise. He added this is an.'incident where- the .state legislature has •again 'imposed a new duty directly upon the :,:city without compensation for such. Council member Foy stated the intent of the • motion :is to let the .:citizens and the police department know e what 'our' policies are going be in relationship to :these :itwo 'House Bills. .He stated: the -City needs to proceed. with the proper forms and 'documentation ;so'.they, will be • _ ready for usage -when needed:. 'He: indicated .there: are a lot of other . things in the - claw which will Sneed clarificat ion ,..,:however, he believesr information swill • be forthcoming' from the City Attorney. - The question was called• fbr • a ; vote . on • the- motion. Unanimously •carried by voice vote.: r -... .. • Rick : Hargraves ,-; -' South Naches Avenue, < presented _ a - petition to • Mayor Berndt _from the South. Naches Cleanup Committee requesting the City Council take , simmediate action •to implement the provisions of House Bill 692. The petition asked the Council to immediately close -down the ;property:. at 214- South Naches due to- rthe • drug: traffic at: that location. He stated the landlord has been notified and has recognized r this problem, .and:'the- Polices Department has )documented • the I drug: traffic . at .this. residence: He :,stated. the:.. Committee is aware, the Council: acted on this last .week,'? but :they.';.want make sure_ the criteria is; 'firm' - before: Council . makes' a decision. Mr. Hargraves stated the Committee. would also like to have information regarding', the hiring of a coordinator for the war on drugs. He stated .the.-citizenry :this City -needs' to know what_ process will be:. used : in '- the selection.. of the coordinatort and ±, requested informations about ;this_ 'process . He stated' the Committee further A /AD /1 - 290 APRIL 12, 1988 requests that a person'be selected who has the passion and the communication skills needed to see this City mobilized against the plague that is eating the soul of this City. Mayor Berndt stated it is her understanding that the County and the School District are meeting today to adopt the concept that the City adopted last week. Tomorrow morning the original committee is meeting and the first. item on the agenda is' to establish a committee .to write the job description and begin interviewing people. She stated it is planned to appoint an interim person to begin work immediately while the committee continues to search for a coordinator. Mayor Berndt encouraged input from citizens regarding the criteria for the:job description. 5. SET DATE OF HEARING FOR APRIL 19, 1988 ON THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE EASTSIDE ANNEXATION PETITION (PHASE I) It was the •general consensus of the Council to consider Item No. 5 out of sequence on the Agenda and discuss it at this time. It was MOVED by Buchanan, seconded:by Carmichael; to set the date of April 19, 1988 for the acceptance' of the Eastside Annexation Petition. Council member Barnett asked if this is sufficient time for public notice to be :given regarding this matter, and Mr. Zais responded affirmatively. The question was called for a vote on . the motion. Unanimously carried by voice vote. 4. CONTINUED REVIEW OF WATER & SEWER COMPREHENSIVE PLANS /SCHEDULE FOR HEARINGS ADOPTION.' City Manager .Zais prefaced Assistant City Manager Stouder's report on the Water• and Sewer Comprehensive Plans stating 95 -99% of today's packet is Water /Sewer Comprehensive Plan information and suggested that after the meeting, Council members extract the other agenda items and maintain this as a separate document. • Mr. Stouder stated it has been almost three years since staff began a major look at . the City's utility system. He stated this initially began as a review as.part of the question of the future . water needs of the .community, particularly the issue of the Rattlesnake .Creek and the feasibility for storage and supply of water for the urban area for the next fifty years. It.was at that time it became evident that it'was time for a comprehensive review of the City's utility questions in general; both the - water and sewer systems. In the spring and summer of 1985 the City began the ,. consultant selection process and entered into contracts with Culp- . Wesner -Culp to do the Sewer Comprehensive Plan. Stouder noted two representatives are present today from Culp - Wesner -Culp, • Dennis Dorratcague and Tony Krutsch. CH2M Hill'was selected to do the., Comprehensive Water Plan in conjunction with the Rattlesnake Feasibility Study and Russ Stepp is present to respond to questions in that regard. Mr Stouder stated staff has tried.to freeze the process,. provide the Council 'with information in one document and give Council. members the 'opportunity to' ask questions and discuss these plans. He indicated 'the Rattlesnake Creek ,issue will be discussed next week and a public hearing has been scheduled for May . 3rd, 1988 and such hearings will continue until Council and the public is satisfied that staff has sufficiently responded to the • important issues and identified the alternatives. Mr. Stouder yielded to questions from the Council at this time. • Council member Barnett referred to the second page of the memorandum, the last sentence of the second,. paragraph which refers to the future of the Water• system and an additional well and continued investigation of 'the Pilot Program for the domestic irrigation system.. Mr. Barnett asked whether an apparent change for . the next five to ten years suggested here; Is due to • three or four factors? He'stated he would'like to list three or four points and ask if these might have .a bearing on that reconthendation or statement, one of them being an apparent change in position of the Department of.Ecology that ground water is not contaminated and • will yield adequate supply of water and to protect the City's A /AD /2 • 291 APRIL ,1Z 198'8' - 'ground " . - water' 'right's: = He explained ..when • he ..;:reads; : the ..Plan, it • 'appears based on• a general_ premise of the 'contaminationr:ofj ground water. He asked, is the plan going to be changed due to what he feels - Mist be an °.apparent • change zof position:: of: :the. Department of •Ecology ? : He 'stated the second point ..is that it appears-'the City =does = notr have • a good ; • letter of d nterest• from . surrounding ccrr nunities, "because - the: memorandum' • indicatesf they_' :apparently can meet `their 'Water = :needs in the near future .o He stated , his. :question is whether •• th :I•raises =some doubts v :among')' the surrounding • .. • '- communities • as to"- "whether - Yakima will be :considered the regional •. • • purveyor- of ;water-; t-which is one of the basic :aspects of 'the plan. Thirdly, ;he: stated: it appears that ' DOE =: will' not even consider the conversion =of water =rights', to the Water Treatment Plant 'until after the • adjudication • of -the Acquavella • -case. He stated ?this might - . continue for !five to ten years. Finally, the' effectiveness: of the Rariney Collector which will not be effective because - of 'the '.Yakima- - Tieton Irrigation District: '- Mr ;''Stouder- responded'. the • - simple - answer' to all • of those- questions - is - "yes:" t= He - stated Mr•. Barnett :has; : in ta': nutshell ; crystalized 1 _ some : of the : -major 'changes , that have :occurred over !the_l.past three • years' and` why we have arrived -at our «current:.positlomat.Mr :1- Stouder stated -it' is .true that - the City :has seen, a difference in :informal conversations with DOE and.. their stance: on the drilling*. of new wells in the metropolitan area. The initial impression that was given -by. DOE was-.that it was likely that, :additional 'wells would not be ' "allowed in; fthe urban area because. of the.: contamination issue. He ; stated staff has sensed =ra softeninga:of :that position _-Fand well _permits are being- granted :: , He =Stated DOE _representatives :may wish . to : respond ;to' this issue_ .:during_.the• public hearings.: ,He .stated a 'large part -. of the City" s? motivation .in, rpur suit _ :for_rnew storage was '!based -:on ': the -: premise - , -,that: - 'additional' ' ;well. edriirl )- might be difficult. ,.3 . Council :Member Barnett' asked`if 'this :means that t.the-basic concepts Hof - '. the final "- Plan Jwitll have '_to bet-.;-revised 7 and Mr. •)' "responded`, =t` "yes, "' - ' .adding.'' :that - 'he .. thinks': -the.: reasoning the • ':philbsophical_ direction on that issue - tthe`:f first ydraft - should be • chariged ;' t"o reflect : -what we • seer' as the - current_. = reading•. we are getting from DOE:=' -vHe - 'reiterated' :perhaps: DOE , can- address that , question at the public hearing, so staff is receiving the correct reading. - • t'Council• member' Foy stated in light' of' that,. there may .be numerous • changes =' in the Plan' :because of the - DOE' s :change= ' of , opinion. He • Stated , their 'March ;5th -; 1987 • letter (-under ` Item: 2) 'r says that the City. should` use - ground water• as an alternative_r supply source and - reassess 1 with DOE. - He stated' if DOE is' 'really. starting - Atoosoften, • should we not have - soiree - kind: :of an':- indication of` that:'.=through `correspondence so that' they its does not :'cause• confusion" during the , publi'c' hearing ?` I'm trying 'to make rsomer•decision° based: on the ' material presented and - I think they need to inforM :us of that now • because it could affect the: Plan - drastically - •an . regards to the Pilot Program and an additional well. Mr. Foy stated :we( need to know what DOE 's position is now. i .r F- .. n :q ' f:7: ■ - Stouder' agreed saying -a generalized policy. - of the DOE; is one • ' • thing, +•:'arnd= u how they -: might: !respond::' to -ar :spec ific •.:.re_quest for an additional well is another. • :'1_- c:. r _ _ _ ;:) • ICouiicil - member Foy:'referred to the March 1987 letter• which tells Us that we should' reconsider and: •reapproach thatiquestion,tcand why did they put it in there? He stated they should be able to • • 'support ' seine= direction ' in another :letter • stating , Lthey.r - are now • = :finding 1 that,' in their' review • of- wells, ': and :. that water I source, they -are - riot finding-• • He stated DOE refers "to it in another section of :the' document; as well Mr:. Foy commented they do not comment on the fact that all of the static tests being done "today on current wel•ls by farmers:. indicate there has been a drastic change -in the water table. t J A /AD /3 • 292 APRIL 12, :1988 • Mr. Stouder stated issue'also involves the drainage and the contamination of ground water which opens up a whole new area. Water Superintendent Ty Wick, stated the DOE's position all along has been that they want the City to go to ground water because of the lessor impact t� surface water supplies because• they know we are involved in the adjudication and all of; that water is tied up and we would have to build storage to get•new water. He stated DOE has been adamantly opposed to our direction toward surface water from the beginning and has always suggested, we go this route. Mr. Wick stated in the past DOE has been uncertain as whether or not they would allow the City to drill wells and now they (DOE) is saying they probably will allow the City to drill wells. Mr. Wick stated the other .question that needs to be addressed is the power to pump the •water out of the ground•, and the gamble on whether drilling a well will-result in water or a dry hole. stated Nob Hill Water Company has a dry hole in 'which. they have several hundred thousand dollars, and once they get a well they have to pump ,the water out of the.ground..He stated-the City has always `depended on'surface water and gravity flowing it•to the system with no cost for power, and he does• not think this should be changed at this time. He explained the well is our emergency backup and the•additional well:referred to is to replace the Ranney Collector as a short term answer. • • In response to Council. member Barnett's question about surrounding agencies being interested in participating in the City's Rattlesnake Creek venture, he commented it is the'City's judgment • that there is not a wholesale rush to; participate in this study at this paint.. He 'stated the surrounding :cities seem to believe, that in short run, their sources of. water, and the studies they - have conducted' indicate they will have adequate water for the next - five to ten years. Mr. Stouder recalled it was Council's wish to obtain letters of interest from surrounding cities stating they -.would participate in the Rattlesnake Creek Project;' and one • point it was of some interest to the Bureau' of Reclamation, .however, this concern was less during this summer's work with the Off Reservation Storage Site Committee. He stated he does not detect, at this point, that Selah, Union Gap' and others are looking to the City as a regional purveyor of water. Council member Foy asked in light of the sewer system currently in existence, and what took place when it was originally developed, +isn't.it important for us to ask Nob Hill Water, Union Gap and Selah, in writing,' to send us a response to a letter of intent so that they say; at this point and time,. in the short run, we do not feel that that is important or is in our venue to look at. He expressed concern that the City might have.the same problem that .:existed with the County and the sewer system. He stated it is important to put it in writing from the beginning that the City of Yakima is planning a tremendously important program' that will have ramifications as far as rates and dollars =are concerned, and we would like for you to sign a• letter of - intent regarding this project. Council member Barnett commented it was brought up before that one of the reasons we wanted this is because the City will eventually reach a point in time where they.will.want these other entities to help pay for this burden. . Mr. Stouder stated, yes, and this was done a year -and -a -half ago, but he believes it is appropriate at this time to do this again. • .Council member Buchanan stated staff should really be talking to the County in the urban area in addition to those three entities. He asked if Terrace Heights should also•be included and it was the consensus of the Council to include Terrace Heights. Mr. Stouder stated. the third question Mr'. Barnett asked was the DOE will not consider the transfer of any of the water rights until the adjudication case has been resolved. He stated Ty Wick has some A /AD /4 • _ . . . 2 9.3 APRIL .12i 1988 informat iOti regard • thiS question arida asked . !la irro :. to - address - ::thi ,.., .,- . i =71 ..f.:( • ; :if --; I 0 . Mr. -Witk 'Stated the 'City did- Make .applicationi. arid j DOE • (did not crefuse -uS 'City) can get at interiwForder , _-; however , it is . 'non' binding and When the judge - is 'ready- to inake f inali decision, the Order Carr be thrown out. ' , r . : .7!..: Fo:z: 71 - ..: r .? ' : '.:: ): j_ '-',; 1 .. n _1 . . : - _iv:: 1 t :=...ie . i.. : ' t:r:!`. . ' ' 'CounCiF 'neither; - Foy • •'this . WOUld: 1 15 - e:•: , Iike builditigY-a house Lia"'ithotat.. ' Clear ' title. • Mr. .Stouder- Stated ()that is: • Council rneMber -' Barnett -; stated thisr ' issue bothers . him more than . • ' 'anything 'else ' . in' ' this .. entire' . Plan. • He --. aSked if 'We go' -ahead , and then ' find '. out ' we an' t - do , it, ' Where: are We? "He i - stated : he thinks • - 'we' have to (be. Very Careful i "on 'this: • •.1••.' •,- -_=- , _: : ‘s .., • • I • Mir. Stouder stated Mr. Barnett ' s fourth' qUestiont has:1 to,do with the Ranney Collector. . Council member Foy interjected that he ' ' 'would:- like' - to . Come 7 back -to the - Ranner C011e ' be'cause : he some cbncernsi: - thiS- part.' of t.' the ' Plan : COuncil:xmembert Foy stated ' when ; we 'reach that: '' .portion-i of - the --; tekt',. . 'he. t -"ask .for !:aratif idation: ' ' " . .' • . : 7' ' '' r -' - - '‘ 4 1 ' : ' -. ':.,.. .: '.: ' , • ..- .- .h' , : 'Lit ' I : j " ::- . I: •' Council member 'Barnett referred to .. the: investigation Lthe Pilot Program and recalled that at theY: (January ..64 -' .1 P•COUnCil meeting, .discussion occurred on establishing a committee to review all . the %ramif icat ions of. a 'pilot program:. and - this , issue was 'tabled ..'. Mr : Stbuder .s tatedf :when ' the -1 lot .- Program was [discussed it • was thought ' -that i-that type".-of sounding i board. wouldd:se 'helpful to staff to identify the impact and asking the questions. Council '-inember - Foy . , SUggested :-the Minutes.' of-the ...January . - 6th meet ing be provided-; so COUnc i I'. 'can r-reView f what - was .:discussedi:at ,..that time. He' Stated those ininUteS- contain a pretty'.good: text what'- we were massaging -at that: - time:. He Stated dt ' would probablr; be2.:a_i good text to have with us during • this discussion. Mr. Stouder stated if we pursue a 'pilot prograrvOr soine kind 'of) incremental test, the nature - :of :..'what We . ••might do now isA different - -from e- what.: ..we :previously discussed and it might be less complex for :la - :committee-i - or Council to monitor or address along the way. He stated the initial concern . • "with • the ' formaticin of Ca cbmmittee Was ' the time-. the 'pilot study ' Vtight rt'equire J of ' 'staff . ' He' ' 'stated : .a- - citizen. group is very , • ' ' : -: - intortant- in- any Of '.- the'se efforts ,'' bUt ' i-f . yOU -*establish them, you ' ' titne'- and c attention • to", fully . Serve :them and 1 -ProVide iinforrnat ion- to t- them `..',, He5Statedi basedic on the pilot ' Prograrn - PropoSai as ' ''-'• ident if led, it 'might be ‘ :little less complex for staff to be involved in a citizen group. Mr. Wick stated 'Staff! s ;- thought - -Was ' to select) at . ' • ' random i. , 'with different - tYpes ' of pltunbing , ':ancli var ioUs 2.corid it ions , ` ' tbr-See , 'how ;Itnich water •buid "be required • He:: 'stated .it . would be • - very small' . and • nothing :would ' be abandoned,' and . the'. .irrigation yttern 'Wbuid-' still :be ' functioning'. dUring'fithe timen period . Maybr Berndt Stated 'her r toneern about the ' .piiot. cprograrn3 is- the use ' . let: doineStie.'•water ' at a '.pre=determined -irrigation water ., rate which I would be assessed to the homeowner is not at all thei same:thing as what would really happen if the people were paying for metered ater; 'because -when '..youl have -irrigation water you: pay for it in • ' adVance one lump - sum 'So • :you "might' as ' well use stated . r 'that': is what ' 'keeps - -Yakimaigreen: If .. people- arer'paying for) domestic ' -aS - 'used ''-on, -' the ir lawns :)there will - be -a.' :drast icc: reduction in watering -'whiCh'' Will" effett •?the . locik - .but: "City She .stated if we ' ..go . intd a pilot- ' progtam , ..and do it . On! la ;bulk: tate:: like f iwe do on ' ' irrigation- Water', 'you , are not going to be ;gettingsthel same; kind of • . :Pi clime ' ybil Would rifT , the. irrigation water - truly metered. - : • i . J .:_f . , -..: ,.. •-• i x .., • - i .. : ..- :.,.: -.. '_.:.' ._ :: :::..-.., : 01.:' • ' Codnair• 'inember i Barriett- asked if ' - under .:. the '. tee ' piloti :plan that staff has deVeloped , Will there be . separate meters. for irrigation ' water. MWick ''' stated 'under the ' pilot . program there , will be one fil'e ter ' 'for the ' hbuSe and " one for • the) irrigat ion: • 'Be - stated these • ' .. Will be - read :rnbrithly and staff -Will be notifying the users rof their - ion and getting thin involved f.'..He 'said: he thinksc itizens fiaill.: b&-Table ' to , Water-'-'-in' . one:-` Setting and veover;.frone .., front yard, WhereaS the''' nOW have to :move the sprinkler Several ._ times cover fthe Sante area: 'Mayor- ' Berndt' asked . Mr Wickhat .'makesi:Dhirn think A/AD/5 ' 294 APRIL 12, 1988 people will water their lawns when•they have to pay for the amount of water being used. Mr. Stouder responded that is really the test of the pilot program; will the lawns remain green and what will it cost to-do so. Mayor Berndt stated if they are not paying for it as they .use it, it will not be a true test. Mr. Stouder commented the conditions of the pilot program have yet to be set, and perhaps there will be a mechanism where some pay a certain rate and others pay another rate. He stated it could be set up a variety of different ways. Council member Buchanan stated -it will take a lot of staff time just to monitor a pilot program. because of so many variables. involved. Mr. Stouder stated that was staff's initial concern after the pilot program' was proposed, the other hand, staff istrying to provide information so Council can make a decision. He stated if Council feels ,comfortable making a decision on the irrigation question without the pilot program, staff is ready to proceed. Council member Carmichael stated conservation also plays a part in a, pilot program and this cannot be forced•upon people. She stated she'thinks people are going to be prone to be more conservative if the water is metered, but she does not see the same concern being taken on the part of the users if the irrigation water usage is not metered. She stated she believes metering will make a • significant difference. • Mr. Stouder commented the issue of metering. and the'cost of that metering might be something Council will to establish as a condition of the pilot study after the public hearings. ,Council member Foy stated he pays for domestic water rate from • November to April 1st each year and on,April 1st he begins his summer watering. He asked how the City determine what is used for summer irrigation versus his domestic consumption. Mr. Wick stated the readings for winter water usage are used as a base and any water used .over that base amount is charged as . irrigation water. Council member Foy stated when he adds water to his swimming pool, or his five children come home for a visit and use a•tremendous amount of water for showers,.does the City have any way of•knowing for what purpose the water is being used? Mr. Wick.stated, "No," and pointed out that a citizen with a situation like the one :described by Mr. Foy, would not be involved in this type of study. • Mr. Foy referred' to the report that indicates there are 17,268 • 'domestic :water users•today and in the General District and.the Fair District there are 3,268 accounts. The report indicates if the City goes to domestic, the 17;268 customers would form an L.I.D. to . • • pays for the cost of shifting from irrigation to domestic. He stated he,is one of the 17,000 customers who will be paying for the -L.I.D. He asked what happened to the 3,000 . that will receive the 'benefit? • Mr. Stouder stated.his service delivery would not be effected, but if the cost of the system is transferred to everyone, ,then Mr. Foy would ,be effected. Mr. Stouder stated that is one of the • 'alternative method of financing. He stated other methods of • financing ,considered • included spreading •the . cost throughout the entire system, and another was spreading the cost between those who will benefit from the improvements. Mr. Foy stated he did not want to get into . a lot of technicality, but if : the vault . is installed and the second meter is off of a tee, where is he going to put his anti -surge and control panel for the underground sprinkler system? • , He stated the study says that part of the pilot test is to determine for =.,•people the impact of being placed on a metered system, and I think it responds to the Mayor's question, that if I have a metered run and I• set it at fifteen minutes, I get better • saturation'of the lawn and I run it once. But to do an effective . :study I:must have an electrical outlet and I.have to have a system that works, that tells me that from your meter I have got to get • back to that somewhere, to put the anti - surging valve on and A /AD /6 • • 295 APRIL 12 • • G : to. ;.put an -,electric, !outlet with .1a - control - timer ;' if , : I'rn!.s going to • - give _you t- an adequate , reading ..;The .pilot; study_: was to be - so + the - citizens could :go to automatic sprinkler systems, and encourage people to: _do r _so; _ , , F . „ _ _ Mayor Berndt +:stated under .the current :system: .if :a- citizen uses • domestic water for • irrigation,.. they -pay - 'fa certain , rate: She asked if, _this :. impacts rtheir sewer bill and Mr'. Wick - responded, no i • ■ H Councih :member :Buchanan : stated. ,, a number - 'of:, years ago ;there were • . .several.- .- :deve1opersv-'on the •west • side - of the City. that;'- removed •irrigationc(systems and • ;sold • the irrigation rights - (to , farmers and other interested° parties. He :.stated at that - .+time_. ' °:argument was made by the City that this was a better. system r. to go.;.to'.;' ;because the City will forever give special irrigation rates for irrigating lawns,- .flowers.,.: etc. He stated., just_ a., .few.'years. 'ago , _.onr:this very • Counci :hecheard -.City ( people:; saying,: well, . we:'' may: •have.: said that in the , past., but; :now ;we • have: to look at higher costs :for domestic • water, potable water, so,we - may scrap thatsirrigatiorn_:system. So the J people who , give up their;: current - irrigation system are looking -at ,;,the :of;: there not.rbeing-:•any irrigation crate-- in the future .,And+ we, may now, say we may ;never_: do : that, , abut we ; said that :once: °before: andrthen we' .have • talked about ?giving •:it .up, :so7.;it is a very._ reah•:possibility. + •..._: 1 r : a.l .c ., . -- , _ . ;:.t : "J:, r . . J •.. • Js :►, Council .• member .Barnette :interjected he -had: .asked a•: question last year which ;was referred - - .touthe Legal, Department. - for} - a response and he was unable toy locate -it . Be (_asked.;° •. "Whata:.is the ::basis _that we furnish. irrigation:. :water to• -_( those districts •c that -I taveD-;no water • rights ?:" i Hey stated. he +recalled. that ones: of thec inr. the study • indicates- • that•:: approximately- 13 of the:: show:-°= -zero for Water,' rights.: -Mr:. Barnett- stated. he: •-: is bringing '.this; •-to Mr. • Stouder's attention only because Council did not receive a response tor.the _inquiry:: Mr: Stouder.. stated. •he.- will _check -on -this. - 21 • • Council member•.. Beauchamp' [stated a few months ::ago when :this issue was:Tbeing discussed:;the installation costs =:were discussed as there will. bei sane citizens. who cannot • :.afford:': to;.: pay r \these.;: costs . He • stated page - :D14.1 -of + reports, lists Anstallat lay: :costs'• '• of $180- . $ 200 - :to • install a 50 ::.foot. line With _ •two :-,risers : - He :asked , - • if this is, a ,realistic -- estimate: :,: Mr.. Wick- istated_' the: estimate for :the 50 feet was. obtained fran .Ak+land r member .Buchanan 'questioned ) why was the estimate based on•.50')feet•.when the • yards are :150 - . deep? .:Mr.3' Wick stated that•:•;! ° • just Y.a �) f igure selected to get the water to the back of the house . Mr . Buchanan asked: >if .this is just . to take the: water to:-the- house. :rand then tie ;.into, :the , house again. "Mr: - ■ Wick c:responded _'No:":_ Council- Foy explained ;that-, one• ac.. single! meter' +usage,.bib•, off :the house and ; the other: rone;! .,withx.,the Second 'meter,. requires you - :to run a • - singlet line :;:::Council member .Foy - , ref erred:c toF- :page.i D15 °,:othe:7second • paragraph,; the current rates' are •aisted. cat /100. cubic.?feet, and page: :K22 ( lists: the'. current'. .rates at•.•21 (cents per : 1000( Cubic feet. • Mr.. .Foy asked • what .; is :.:the . correct: rate ?'.•:Mr..: Wick= stated•: ;it• is 21 : cents' .'per cubic feet..::.: Following ::_brief discuss ion on the • . current' cost •ofi.irrigation••water versus the cost of domestic water for irrigation purposes, Mr . +- Foy, suggested .staff - _• re -write this paragraphF :.because_•it:-is unclear ; : - Council member r,Barnett Mr. Wick chow, he ',reconciles •$.28 in the: :.narrative " -•of.• ;this.;t text- versus • the $13 quoted: to the: Commissioners. (Mr. Wick:: responded the_" $13 is . for -: the ",water. and the ° $.14...73 :is. for the. capital ..improvements to make. (the-water available. , • 1 , r. City Manager • :Zais : - referred to '--section HI -H; ; page 6; •-•:Issue 4 and answer and asked Mr. Barnett if that is the question and answer he is seeking... ,(.The .contents Issue 4; -reads:- as ollows:,; Do' - ;any of the property owners in irrigation :rdistricts:cservedrby - the City have a: right:;-to)-:continued water service 'from. ;a; c particular- , source based • . on,.;water:,rights_.initially :acquired r'out -of•, assessments:•originally • • levied _ within •a :;given district? •Answer ;No. ): Mr Barnett - yes ::and no . He . stated the text ° (indicates it appears the . property owners would . not have legitimate grounds :,toichallenge.the source of • •• • water •supplied , by the • :City + as long as such action:; does ;not. conflict A/AD /7 296 APRIL 12, 1988 • -with 'any specific` contract. He asked if .that means Council will have to review every L.I:D.. for that determination.- Mr. Wick, stated, ,no, it would - be a' written contract for that specific purpose. Mr. Foy asked if that "written contract "' isn't an L.I.D. ?. Mr. Wick responded, "No, an L.I.D. is just to build a capital improvement, and has nothing to do with the service." Mr. Foy asked•if all of. the L.I.D.'s have'been constructed with the same .contractural' criteria ?•Mr. Wick stated, under L.I.D. law, they are all the same. Mr. Foy read from the text which states the'property owners would not have legitimate grounds to challenge .the source of water supplied by the City as ,l'ong . as' the property owners continue to receive an "adequate" supply of water that can be used for irrigation. Mr. Foy stated a definition of the word adequate is needed. Council member Barnett referred to page D15, paragraph 3; which states any reduction in, water currently lost through the irrigation systems could be reserved by:the City and used'•to meet future growth water needs, and:then .referred to page 2G, the next to the last sentence on the first page of:the Thorgrimson letter which states . if' . these water rights are not used for five successive years, they revert to the State for reappropriation. Mr. Barnett asked. how can we. reserve this water that•we have saved and not have it reappropriated? Mr. Wick explained that it is because we are a municipality, and cities have a special interest in the water laws. He stated the City does have the • ability to reserve those water rights for future needs, but whether this request will be honored is unknown until' the actual • request is made: Mr. Stouder interjected Council will have t� address questions about the Water and Sewer.Canprehensive Plans -to representatives of Preston Thorgrimson's office at a future meeting. He 'suggested that Mr. Barnett engage in this type.of discussion`at that time. • Mr.. Barnett referred to page D16 which refers to the Clean Water Act Amendments which has placed an additional $400,000 burden upon the City, adding that the 1988 permit is going to cause us to act on some issues earlier than originally anticipated. He asked that staff provide Council with a revised summary chart to reflect the compression that DOE is imposing upon the City - of Yakima to receive this 1988 permit? He stated we must convey to the general - - public that we -have approximately 9 million dollars worth of work that has to be, done because of DOE'-and' the Clean Water Act Amendments. Mayor Berndt stated this needs:to be made abundantly clear to the citizens during the public hearings. on this issue. • ' Council member Foy read the third paragraph of.page D16 which states 'the preparation of a facility plan (a revision of the Beck Study along with the Comprehensive Plan itself) will be required to • further qualify for funding." A recommendation on this will be presented to the Council on April 19th, and he asked if it is not a fact that we cannot establish any rates until this plan is developed' because the City's eligibility for State'and Federal • funding will not even be considered until such a plan is rendered. Mr. Stouder responded,• "Yes and no." He stated the City is required by law to have a Comprehensive Water and Sewer Plan in place, .and the water plan must be revised every five years. He stated it has been almost'thirteen years since this has, been done, however,' the agencies realize the City is working on the plans, and they are trying to qualify the City for funding. He " the ..simple answer ; is yes, at one point we have to adopt this sewer plan, but more importantly, from the. sewer plan comes a preliminary engineering document, a facilities plan is what we need as an application requirement for some of the improvements. Council member Foy asked if at the public hearing on April 19th the citizens ask :questions. regarding these plans, we can't establish rates until the plan is developed, and secondly, if it is ' presented to us on the same day of the public hearing, Council will not have had an.opportunity to study it, so how will he respond. Mr. Stouder stated we are mixing two issues. He pointed out that staff has been having a dialogue with DOE to qualify some of the improvements that were budgeted for this year and next' for the A /AD /8 • 297 APRIL ' "12.x. 11988 • facil He - stated we recently- , received -= $940:;000' =from - -the' Public -Works Trust Furid (a twenty year loan =at. 1% iinterest -) -rand• -we' see an opportunity perhaps to receive some DOE funding for .what would have been our local share that we basically would be budgeting or have budgeted-.' :In'order to •qualify-for that fundingl -we need a facility _. • plan::. r' et, . ;r,1'. r;.. E7. ' J ..Council:Dmember_rFoy stated; what; you are saying!' is there :are some strategies --:.for the application of r•funds.rthat r we :have ; Tnot.: received . yet,. cbut.: DOE i :wi}ll ing ' to 1work with usthey 'are • developed . Mr . .Stouder ;stated that : is correct,' : and the _, ;proper !answer_ is that • whatever we :do 'at -th is stages_ in. preparing the .necessary eligibility • r + documents, T ' i.e.: Lthe 'facilityr 'pian - w il'. r soften :the: burden of future rate ' increases . if ; we ::receive r;state `=funding: Mr•c VStouder stated': Council _ will :not. be . _stalking about rates 'on: :April 19th, but will'. be... discussing ° .a' '.faci ity 'plany_to equal +ify •.::the : of • • .Yakima •for; ;State - that -':will ultimately_,_.reduce: •the3 impact • • , . • potential'lyor stretch; out :the; impact of whatever 2increasesi to the 7customei there .are. :: • f :oii_t ._._ 1z: :i : r: V • . C.,vs: f • • Council memberr Barnett :commented he - .appreciated seeing the. letter . • 'signed; by.• <. the : City Manager toathe. .Department :of Ecology which indicates the City Council would like to determine the:'extent of their commitment before we get too far in the hole. Mr. Stouder - stated he isa quite.. \pleased 7 ;about ; ■DOE's, :willingness :torwork with they_fCity.eiHe::`expla'ined -.that staff : -is. discussing: ":_applying" for a • program..-:-.f or ..funding -but - the: - . regulations and'c the program :haves .not yet- been (released. :He'.stated.itDOE,, isu Working with • the City: 7before',their 'program =ins - ready for _-publics' application to • .help -. qualifyi._the CCity. of Yakima , -for- funding.:'Mr. :)Stouder= stated DOE . -has. - put- in- writing that- they :are' willing :tot works :With"' us, and • . she °.would like .'.to see '".a ' grant approval -in the next • six n to nine months;: s• . _', .. C_. .`1:. =r. +t . 9' c P s . i .('_ - • Council �3member :.Carmichael stated _s.Andrea Beatty Riniker,, .the head :of.s_ithe State Department:'. :of -Ecology;. ' has -s accepted '.a :position with • Sea Tac- kAirpOrt ;. •• and' 'asked if sthererhas :been .any news about her replacement: _Mr. :'Stouder_ r responded, person rhas been - appointed.: "who was serving '�as7i the +legal representative_: from the Attorney ;,General's _office. '- r.Councii- member Carmichael "asked if . - - there as; ;.any- anticipation•. of a +change ¶.of+ 'attitude - .with-•the - change of leadership :. • r Mr;: F Stouder - .:responded; '.i nor;:":-(Mr. Zaisa•. • stated :frequently. ,the: City ~has received: rstern; , l harsh' ands :blunt: letters from the Department of Ecology, however, the_. -City; :has been effective in defusing and disarming those - letters in meetings with DOE:. 'He stated is-that kind)_of'cdtalogue othatchas paid.:cthe City sane. dividends -.in.: terms of ,the' fact = that the Gi.ty is :continuing to work:_° to rmeet.; 'deadline :;set by DOE, ^ ; but ; ..we ,:also expect some participation, t involvement = and '. recognition -•:.of the; fund diff:iculties.! we' r.facel: here ; :,, particularly ::r as._then�federal.Jr funding .process :continues to back ..for water .and (. :sewer projects'. j 1`._: i -- '.' : ;! -f[',. ;:;)_t -: „": (COW ' =' 'to _ : Exhi'bit :-vr C, ?: the from CWC-HDR;: page r'.five,_7•dated' *March ";.30, 1988, :=indicating: :.there is a discrepancy in the figures presented in the letter∎.andi:theisurranary of capital improvement needs. Mr. Krutsch stated the letter contains :,figures thatc °were. ;listed An =the table 'and•. puts a total cost in thei-letter;. whereas 'they .had •'appeared•ras : twos or •three •=iterns in . the table:.; He .stated on: page -(six, ' the .$1;850.;.000 = 'represents three separate• items . Mr _ 'Barnett& stated the trickling filter: : - pumping • :station `' listed" at :$2,.000,000; i -: however., •:Gthe= ::• :summary' sheet - .indicates. -cost" Is_ 2; 300•,•000.: He tasked which = figure:, is :correct? Chris?Waarvick _stated •= both' figures -are °accurate.,. explaining'; that in • - the capital improvement - siurunary=7 - .'when-3_?staff: vreferred acto the • • trickling af Uteri project ;:• • they are.: `speaking : _:of.: the./ umbrella for improvements to be : done:'during • that :.time:: He - .stated.: Just dike the aeration _.system iimprovement• •that-we s are about: _to. renter.: into;, there arelEother. :'caosts oft - - smal+ler tems Cori . around that time. Waarv.ick. 'stated "c:.he ` outlined ' uwh' ch :was - -reviewed by 'Mr_:, 'Barnett the :others day;! `a fullyb•detailed _trickling filter •project rand- ancillary maintenance type7of, improvement items. Mr. . Stouder stated staffvcan - +list• • the. figures and r general i •costs, in the A /AD /9 • 298 APRIL 12,1988 next draft. Mr. Barnett interjected he is requesting any new . material', he just wants to understand the material he has already • • received. . Mr. Foy- referred to page six of Chris Waarvick's letter which states the City's final report to Council will be incorporated into the appendix document which accompanies the final Plan. He asked if the final Plan will be received after the public hearing. Mr. Stouder stated 'Council will be receiving a financing Plan (rate study)-'prior to the final published document. Mr. :Foy asked if this would:be during the public hearing. or afterward.. Stouder stated the next two meetings with the citizens will be on the plan, and then he..anticipates providing. the Council With_'.the financing plan, and he is assuming Council will have public hearings on the financing plan also. He stated then there' will` be the final :.publication .of the document which ultimately will include a financing plan,' but staff prefers to have Council's direction on the financing plan and the Water Sewer.Canprehensive:Plans in one final document. Mr. Foy stated he wants:to make'sure there is a review of the financing plan by the citizens prior to printing the • final .Plan. Mr. Stouder stated the appropriate reviews will be held .prior to presentation of the final Plan to the City . Council. • Council member: Barnett - asked Chris Waarvick, "If'this is your 1988 permit, are you going to have to move same things ahead ?'Is this going :to' have some significant impact on• your .analysis of rate structure." Mr. Waarvick. responded, "Yes, it will have an impact on the analysis of the rate structure and he will have to be realistic. and. sensitive to the issue. ". We will be presenting the . financing plan illustrating what the impact of the acceleration of • some of these projects are, knowing full well we can't afford it. Council member Barnett asked if we do not implement those requirements, are .they going to fine us $10,000 a day? Mr. Waarvick stated he did not know, however, they have not fined us because they know the City is making an :honest attempt' t� resolve • the issues,. City Manager Zais emphasized the City must" - find a way - sanehow to meet ,those ,requirements because , the City is subject to fine and penalty as a corporate entity and personally somewhere down ' the . road . He stated - we are obligated and have to find a way to comply with those requirements. Council member Foy restated .. we are subject to fine corporately and individually. Mr. Zais indicated such fines have been levied the past in some jurisdictions. Council member Foy referred to tab I -B -I, page D4X5, Continent A -24, • which says Industrial waste sprayfield users are presently being billed 1/2 the cost until resolution of'the billing situation, and asked'is the sprayfield 2/3's cost? Mr. Waarvick responded the • strong` waste.surcharge is presently at 2/3's the .potential rate. • ,That:is the charge for stronger waste 'going into the domestic wastewater system. Council member Barnett stated the answer given in the text says 1/2. Mr. Waarvick stated the sprayfield users and the strong waste issues are different and the answer in text is correct. • • Council member Barnett referred to page D4. X6 questioning how is a legal. opinion on applying a new'CCRC (Capital Cost Recovery Charge) going to affect the funding source and how will this be reflected • in the final Plan:, He stated Preston Thorgrimson's legal department responded under I -H, page 5, "We.would suggest revision of the state code in order to permit recalculation of the charge, not only in the circumstance listed above, but upon a deterinination of actual versus estimated costs of providing the facilities for Which the charge is made." Mr. Barnett stated he assumes before the City •implements'the CCRCH there will be a change in the legislation, and he believes they are cautioning_ the'City not to • add the additional charge. He stated the additional charge was to be used in the future to fund some '7 million dollars of new trunk facilities. He stated if we feel hesitant in adding that charge, he sees that area of the Plan being hindered significantly. Mr. Stouder commented he is unaware 'of any hesitation in'this area. A /AD /10 • 299 APRIL 12 ;; 1988 " Cotirricil • member - tBarnett ' asked= that Preston `- . Thorgrimson" s 'f off ice advise the Council whether we can 'reassess -the' capital • cost recovery charge. City Attorney Vanek stated four different distinction's are � being 'Made ;. 1) people' `who have-•connected-'and paid the ` charge :;' can' we `surcharge' , thenn, 2 ) people= - -who have :i s igned an insta Breit' agreement and are •paying 'i-t, -:"3) - "people" =whb shave not • Connected 'and' Piave mot paid the charge; sand 4)'• !change •of' use in the'= `proper-ty. 'Mr- c >rVanek stated • his • interpretation of the' legal opinion' 1 ' is" - that 'the" : best ' chance ' is against «unconnected . property, that; 18 the clearest • property. Council• members Foy stated he would like' to have 'thisci "section 'pulled and {correlated _ with 'section 10 and have -them give us some •rationale as to what is "going: on Chris Waarvick Stated 'what :'they - might be fref err ing.r'to.rim the lchange of • • Code'iS to "allow;' -even - if you have• :already :- paid ;,::.to icome:`back and adjust- `Lit': :stated the 'City does have. - they author ity_to_ •the. rates r those who have . not already signed. 'or connected to the . • Sewer". - (See D4X6 - under 1' -D=l) . ' 1.' • - ' .t ?:r i , "i r Council' Member; Foy `referred' to! page 1 D4 X7, `••under tab the bottom = `of the page '= under - •paragraph C; - which °talks- 'about "an appropriate 'decision =c-is to recognize :the:• hydraulic problems and • iinpleinent:= a:- _program of ''correction:` ` L.I.D.1 ;'''flow:• r impact ='tcan be identified - -- and =should = be brought =to '"Council's attention." He stated' -he believes•:Counci1 :has discussed, tf•'long :: 'enough ;:'end the Council Shbuid require- J0174 future L :I :D.8 -; , =.as part of the input • information= -for' decision; that - information, 'and: •I think we• to • make• -sure that'' takes; place: This just makes the suggestion . that it should be, • I would Tike: -to be' more • specific and' rsay it must be • • brought' to • our attention'. -1 • He • :stated: he thinks this:' is good decision ;Makirig - material, and since theyi now have':? the' -tools to cbIlectLand':' identify it,' =we: had better know 'about Council member - Barnett= Treferred .t.6: page D4 :- X8,L!comment.i -B =4 which asked Lwhatf= iS 'the legal - basis for providing : :irrigationt:water to the • • districts 3 with ' ".=no• water rights.; = and' - stated'' .he" • did note °find a • response to this ' question.. 'Mt t Stbuder" sta•ed : =staff = wil•1^ pursue this' }'and provide •an response: t t ' • Council member- - Barnett !then:' referred to :: Section -I =D-3;) `page DXIV • L7 • which": relates:' to: i:question 'asked formerly by:" Cbunc il: member Sims arid '-himself;� -Which ;States 'significant:capital 'expenditures can • • - be- reduced 'from'facility needs' by re location' of= sewer maintenance. Mr Barnett' stated he has never been convinced of :those.. :savings. Mr. 'Waarvck :stated' this is answered in: more' detail in the letter to the -Cityi from , Culp - Wesner- Culp • exhibit 1C page 6.; .the. fourth • paragraph, ; which indicates ":the :.. need for -'additional materials storage ,' = office• 'space ,- 1 and locker •'area '-'all • resulting from • increased' •requirements on the plant. 'Estimated cost ism; - $'7-00, 000. Iinprovemerits .as' `described' 'here - would _ not= be 's )if' ^the new 'opera. ion!`s 'centers,' - as described "in'-:the;: Canprehensive were constructed= in the near future." Cdunci1i member - Barnett: stated • - thee- -'•Culp- Wesner =Culp 'getter- indicates }'a ` cost Of . ":4700;000 to • accoirQnddate = space= needs,' however, - elsewhere in the •report, :the cost to builds -a new •operations' center is listed at one mill ion' " dollars . Mr'. Barnett stated - -' he does not understand tibia: =there - will be a significant - 'savings. Mr. Waarvick stated the 'estimated' 'cost of centralizing the sewer maintenance 'function is one( .milhiont:dollars. He' `stated''' if this 1 is' not "done,J'` the.!:City' +will= have to spend $700,000 "'to-- 'accamodate 1 s Spade rineeds " at: :'the-' current faoitiity. The • difference- now `- becomes '4300000' A between Staying ' -'ati Jthes .current location= arid' making•-•- the needed (improvements, or building' a more centralized 'operations - Mr: Barnett. stated - -he _would.discuss this" :with .Mr..7:14aary ck''-later: ast "he •need's further: clarification on this issue. Mr. Stoiider: : stated the reality• is. "that at' :some point - there :will= be' add=itional- space needs' • 'and' we' need' = to 'determine if we -want' to centralize -them 'iri ' a' more transportat ion 7ef f is ient _locat ion orj expand the " plant: 'Mr: 'Stouder•.' pointed: out.' that.7:there is a • cbst' in' terms' of '1 efficiency - and ::: travel T.time • and.' staff could prepare: a' report( of that' if Councih•• des iresI Xouncil rmemberi•Barnett stated he 'does - riot : = wish -' staff: l to prepare : Such:: a' report;.. but he has never been convinced of: the cost savings: 'in, • any.' of. the. :previous • :discussions.- Mr. :Stouder .ipointed • out:'thatf :_the• - estimates don' t A /AD /11 • • 300 APRIL 12, 1988 address the size of the building, the type of land, or'other costs that are all unknowns at this time. Council member Barnett initiated discussion on the Homeowners • Chapter, II -B, page YKC7 /034.4, the last paragraph which talks about spreading the cost among the present 17,250 users, and asked • if Mr. Stouder had indicated the City will probably have to go onto the utility 'concept first. Mr. Stouder stated, "yes," and further explained. Preston Thorgrimson's response to those questions: they refer to one option for the Council which is the creation of a new utility :district that assumes the operations. or administrative • responsibilities of the other 65 or 66, and then to finance an improvement, all the voters of that new utility district would vote, if you wanted to.choose that avenue to spread out the cost of that whole system. He stated if you had a district of 17,000 people and you passed a 10 million dollar bond issue, you might be doing some of those improvements' one year and' some of the improvements another year, and all of the people would not be impacted in any pne year, but all of the people would benefit from • the improvements even though it may not be at their particular house, if nothing more than it's a more ,modern,- efficient system and keeps Yakima - .green. He stated one, alternative that was reviewed in' the report was a system wide absorption of the improvement costs whether you directly • benefit• in your :yard next year or not. Council member Foy stated 'this portion of the report • says "the•General.and the Fair Avenue system service areas only are converted to domestic water use, a capital expense of.$1,200,000 at the Naches River Water Treatment Plant would be required." If this expense were to be evenly divided among the 1 preserit - 17,250 accounts, those are domestic user accounts, it would result in a pro-rated cost of $69.56, or basically $70 per account. : He stated his question is, if those two districts were converted, this would result, in a 1,200,000 .expense. That is another 3,068 customers,, but in .essence the $1,200,000' is going to be divided among the 17,250 domestic users, so if a person happens to be in one of those districts, and is also 'a part of the 308 irrigation gravity flow customers and is converted to domestic, the burden of the $1,200,000 is being divided by the 17,250 domestic users. He stated. he does not understand the philosophy. He said he understands everyone in the City sharing and trying to improve the quality, of life in the community but he has difficulty when it is 17,250 people and 3,268 receiving the benefit are not included. Mr. Stouder stated. he agrees that it is a question of philosophy and howthe Council. perceives it. He. reminded Mr. Foy the system paid for the improvement of the, line to. Gleed, and the . improvement was the prevention of the loss: of one and one -half million gallons of water per day, that, everyone benefited, but the direct beneficiaries of that action was 15 households. He' stated the cost of that improvement was over $270,000. Council member Foy stated that incident involved treated domestic water the case of these two districts involves irrigation water. Mr. Stouder cautioned Mr. Foy not to lose sight of the overall objective which is to prevent the leakage and wastage of water. Council member Buchanan and Mayor Berndt pointed out that this section is talking about domestic water. Mr. Foy stated General and Fair Avenue do not use'domestic water. Mr. Buchanan stated that is correct, but you are going to save the irrigation water which can then be used to increase the supply of domestic water. Mr. Foy stated if he read this information as a layman, it would be difficult for him to support this. He stated we need to be careful in the manner in which'this is presented so that people will understand that the concept is that we all share in the quality of . life of the community and therefore, this is what our accomplishment is, that 17,250 domestic users today will pick up the $69.56 pro rated cost for 20 years or $7.00 per year, you'll pick it up and 'we will go out and take care of these two major districts. He stated we need to explain that better, you are selling a product and a system and a concept and'it does not sell well the way it is written. Mr. Buchanan commented that what Mr. Foy is saying is that they really should let those 3,000 people on those two irrigation districts pay the $1,200,000, plus those people are then going to have to pay considerably increased water costs. As far as they are concerned, A /AD /12 301 APRIL' 12, '1988' • ' they r'would` ae soon -' stay' right where icthey : are. ' Council member : Barnett stated -they already - paying for the . diversion-'dam, they • ' -are;''getting' a' double 'e'wha iny. 'Mr. Barnett statedxhe"doesi - not know • the•solutibn•, - -biit t" they are the' 'ma in :people for :th e' divers lon I darn: that` we had to put= in so 'they" could .have - •irrigation :iwater and now we are talking about a system to take :that =irrigation water away from than and then we throw another $1,200,000 at them. So now = they) have' had tiao'"•layers of high 'cost; if - , they are -thei group that ' has to stand' the -'entire cost. Mr. •Buchanan. rcautioned'- not to overlook the'• third layer of! 'cost ;'because`then'. the -water :bills are going to skyrocket in order •to irrigate what they have been irrigating •now. -"Mr.: Foy stated . he does note have 'any'- problem with • the - larger • domestic' user helping' or providing 'that service:; but he thinks - the 'way -) you' "express • it :and' `what" -you ' do • with Fitt has a definite response to how you 'are` going Fttb sell sit,° otherwise it is ' - going -to` appear as though :' -thee -'big 'Users'' are paying' -the - expense 'Tor the •little •districts- of 3,200• users.- We need'°'to point- -'out that `they • are=- eti111' going t� carry :the' burdenf-of 'the diversion dam even though -they rimy not use - -the' water at all. Council member' Buchanan poinited; out that =this' is his •CoUnci-Y' district)'which:•:.is'Ucanprised fto'stly "of downtown-: businesses. '! ' - _ -'` '•' ' Ty Wick stated this same- type of'. philosophy' was 'used 'on the jdiversion' darn ;' 'it was :a :1.1 'rriillion 'dollar-` project! acid ; -bf that •-total amount', these peop'l'e are paying $60, 000• •whichLwas'' f inanced • - over - - a considerable' `length ' of time : He stated ' FRS - money -i and HUD rinoney' Was ''used 'to benefit the` entire' City because Ait:;'also'i affects E Nact es Cowiche'- and the -- west' side -`of 3 town'.' Count]- member Foy caeti'onedz -M ':•` WiCk-• tb •'be- "careful when . :he - talks 'about using'FRS and - -'HUD money- because -`that iinoriey"is :not :"directly 'but "of /the citizen's pocket:? ,. ,,. J: ' r :r_ r, r_5 _..P For 'point of••clarification; Council member Sims tasked' if it is 'correct that the = irr rdistrict does not- 'include- the 'idowntown 'area any longer- 'because those •'businesses ::'have ibeen written. Mr. Wick' "stated - zthe core' 'area' never F was • 'included.: tin the _L:` -I. D. and -tt qs . true 'that" a' of . the businesses .:have been.r 'eliminated 'upon ' request: ' Council member: Buchanan' :: - clarified:- his= ':learlier f comment'' about this- 'area being -iri •this Council' :District 'stating he was '= referring - to • fruit " row; 'which is . 'included fin . the_ L. I . D. -assessments' . . F r { _, r. ' :t cr 2 Cbunc l , member . ;Barnett`- referred ito '`the'- memorandum. from . •Housing • 'Manager = 'Dixie' Ktacht,` 'whi'ch ' refers to J the 'cost'- estimate 'for the ' eomplete-'ireplace rent -of the -'plumbing, 'iand''then' furtherJdowri in the paragraph; -'she talks '.'about :cost' being -'$1;'100 from - Housing: and '$676,' plus some other things: He '- this is not enumerated h the narrative' 'of -'the• Homeowners' section:' :'The only 'narrative that mention's -`an. 'increased cost: to' the':- haneowner is a • :range- 'of $250- $275:' He •stated it' - appears that -maybe true if those Conditions: =exist, buts if the other. condition `exists;' then it could ' the $1 plus range. " Mr. Stouder : reminded...him -t of the alternative that `-'staff- is -.looking' at if •we'•:haVe a= pilot'''program that was reviewed- in the `summary• memo'' whi'ch • °precludes replacement of the plumbing inside the house etc. The costs provided by Dixie Kracht are speaking' ' =to -the °•interior' plumbing.; • - tithe: hose bib, etc.', 'and Ti's -riot- applicable :under' what 'we are' talking-1 ',about as a • • pilot :program: • _ r ; _ r. • ;1 :. :� Vii: i :� .. •r; a ?_ .: Council ' member • ' Foy ' = stated 'staff =should go back' to the 'cost i estimate ! of a coinplete replacement , fran}'the water main, . because c ifc you are go ing- to- use two "meters arid: •yoU put the • : --: meter _there, you are starting' at 'the. main 'or -T property •line''and' from:r'there 'you are ' stalking about •-gett'ing - source where" if :you,'.want::to really geta an i accu'rate'- "study' - of ' a'(-conservative use 'ofi °water you • have to Put ' an 'electrical'' timer•on it 'so that'A.f-'lI - am 7 going :to spend the money to °'give' •you-'ari adequate • example of what,`my consumption will be, I want PVC in the ground, I want it metered so that each valve ' When 'it= goes: -on' °fi'fteen' minutes' :of watering! and.' done • • -and' have= done'my conservative approach through ..modern7'technology. - You • arse= =not going to get "'it i if you just 'cane '•off the' -tee; rand cane up jwi'th the riser-':'. Mr. .Stouder=•'stated thatu <was .noted:,) -that is a • A/AD /13 302 APRIL 12, 1988 • different issue you commented on earlier from the domestic meter as opposed to what Dixie's comments were. Dixie's comments were directed towards the earlier questions about cost•to the interior plumbing. With the alternative that is proposed, then same of your points come into play that are different from Dixie's comments and Clarence's comments. Mayor Berndt stated she thinks' some serious analysis of just how absolutely precise we want to be, whether it is worth the cost, or 'whether the method we are currently using will do the job. Ty Wick stated that what Mr. Foy is suggesting wasn't anticipated in what staff presented. He 'stated basically what was suggested was how much water does it take to water the way they have been . watering now, and what they have been used to watering, so we can determine how that compares to•the domestic water rates. Mr. Stouder stated he you can take the 50 feet, if that cost estimate of $180 is for 50 feet, if it is 100. feet, it's $360 for :ballpark figures for what we are addressing. Council member Buchanan . stated' for 150 foot lots, you cannot do it on 50 feet. Mr. Stouder stated you could double that cost or three times it. Mr. Buchanan stated you are beginning with an erroneous figure because all of the lots in the east side of town in these irrigation districts are 50x150 and if you put a 50 foot extension :into the lot,. then you have to have 100 feet of hose to reach the front edge of the lot or awfully close to it. Mr. Wick stated a lot'of..people have just a. riser in the back and they run hoses from it. Mr. Stouder stated he thinks this is easily resolved by • taking the 50 feet and doubling it. Council member Barnett stated he only has one concern on the figure that is in the homeowners section and that is to make sure it won't be higher•:after we finalize the Plan. He cautioned staff to make sure there isn't any hidden cost and this may have to came through the pilot program. Mr. Stouder stated the real cost, quite frankly, is the rebuilding of the irrigation line or the transfer, that - -is the 12 million dollars. Council member Buchanan interrupted saying the real cost issue is going to be rebuilding the sewer lines. He 'stated the study in which the irrigation lines on the east side of town were shut down, and nobody irrigated their lines and-there wasn't any water in the lines, so therefore, there was a drastic reduction in the infiltration rate going to the treatment plant. He stated if they had continued irrigating during that period of time you may have, had a drastically different results in your test, but since the test proved what they said it would prove before the test was started, obviously the point'is proven. And I maintain that the water is not running from an irrigation line into the sewer line, the -water is running from the top of the ground into the sewer line. We have.had the pictures of the water cascading into these sewer lines and that is where our infiltration is caning from. Now if our irrigation goes on and the water keeps going into the sewer lines.after have spent these millions of dollars. to do all of the quick . fixes on the irrigation system, and--then: we: have to go ahead and spend all of that money on the sewer lines which are leaking; people are going to be really upset. Mr. Stouder stated we will be replacing the collection lines in the • sewer; that is.a given. Mr. Buchanan stated if we are going to be doing that, then that will probably solve an awful , lot of the irrigation water problems. Mr. Stouder stated the essential question is that'when we the collection system for the ,sewer lines, that is the time to replace the irrigation lines if that is the.direction the Council chooses to • take. Council member Buchanan reminded Mr. Stouder that a man from Union Gap had stated • recently, if you have all of those big breaks in the :sewer lines that the water can run into, how much of the water is running out of those sewer lines into the rocks and sand that the City is underlain with and contaminating other water supplies. • Council member Barentt stated he thinks the initial summary which gives a good review of the changes that have transpired, and the method in which you put these attachments is very good. Mr. Barnett stated Mr. Stouder has been yelled at more or less in one form or A /AD /14 303 APRIL 12, 1988 another for the past few hours, and you ought to be complemented for the work you did to put this document together. Mr. Stouder commented there are several;; ; people ,that, have been working on this for over three years and particularly the last several months putting this document together. He stated generally the City's infrastructure is in pretty good shape and we should be proud of that - , :fact, ; :however• -• this . doesn'.t -mean ..that: we don' _t ,have „ some pretty, tough „decisions ahead of us., He stated recently the National Council ,: and . Public .Works , spent three , year studying „the, nation' s infrastructure„ . and •. Nancy Ruttledge, , who use, _.to ,be ..the` head . of : the same,, board •. here in Washington, State,., who, that National Council. , Mr:, Stouder• shared an article. from , the„Wall - r Street Journal which graded the US infrastructure .in, . „the , following „,ways: Highways C +, Mass transit C -, Aviation B -, Water Resources B• Water Supply B -, Wastewater •C,, So1id Waste C -, and Hazardous, Waste D. The article predicts that the nation will double in poplulation - by the ( year 2000 ,and recommends that -,,45, billion, dollars., be spent annually, on _public ,-works. • : ; He stated:, , he, i , .,would , . rate our infrastructure.. higher ,than., any of ; these, grades, 1 but cautioned .,that w e not lose sight. of the fact, that, w e need to , make some , of_ ; these investments to keep it the B or B+ grade we now have. 6. OTHER BUSINESS t'. : ' '1 . t i ")' ' , _ i _+'c + a)' 1 ):._ _ None ,, nt .7. EXECUTIVE SESSION REGARDING PROSPECTIVE LITIGATION It was MOVED by Foy, seconded by;', Buchanan, to move into Executive Session for approximately twenty minutes for the purpose of discussing prospective litigation. and adjourn immediately thereafter .v Unanimously carried by, voice vote. 8. ADJOURNMENT Following the completion of the Executive Session, the meeting was adjourned at the hour of 4:0 P.M. READ AND CERTIFIED ACCURATE B� rCOUN MEMBER DATE ATTEST: 0/ IL BER ACTIN Ltt \ZiAz/Y-11C CT ITY CLERK MAYOR A/AD /15